May 31, 2008

Here we go again...

Well ladies and gentlemen, here we go again. Go get yourself something to drink and a snack.

MK Davis and his sometimes partner John Johnsen are at it again. Apparently MK or Johnsen (who knows which came first) have a new "theory" they are now calling "speculation". What is theory turned "speculation" you ask? Good question. Why it's something that can apparently be determined by looking at frames of a 40 year old film (again) according to MK Davis and John Johnsen.

Yes, once again the Patterson/Gimlin film is making the news.

As you most likely read on Cryptomundo, there is a new "theory" (or is it "speculation") about what happened in the days leading up to the shooting of the Patterson/Gimlin Film.

Here we go.

According to MK who showed fellow researchers copies of frames and the film at the Ohio Conference in an "after conference" chat, he and Johnsen are "speculating" there was a "Bigfoot Massacre". Yes, that's right. An entire family of Bigfoot were shot and killed. Then their bodies were buried with the help of a backhoe - or something, insert your favorite digging equipment, because they don't even know (I'm going with spoons, it's just as plausible and makes me laugh). Now, who do they insinuate was the "Trigger Man"??? Allegedly Bob Gimlin.

Now the story gets even better.

Not only are they insinuating Bob Gimlin was allegedly the "Trigger Man", but they say he kept all this hidden from Roger Patterson. So let me help you picture it.

It's a wild shoot out, loading and reloading going on as quickly as you can imagine - Bigfoot dropping like flies all over the place!!!

Blood, screams, logs breaking, baby bigfoots clutching their mother, AHHHHHH THE HORROR OF IT ALL!! Then the deafening sound of silence as this entire family of bigfoot lay dead on the ground. Then the loud mechanical sound of a backhoe (or clinking of spoons), digging into the earth spewing their exhaust into the air, while they dig the final resting place of an entire family of Bigfoot. Oh, they also say there were other researchers in the area, at the time when all this took place. But, we may as well forget about that - because no one knows who they are.

Meanwhile Roger Patterson sits at the camp unaware of any of this. He hears nothing, he knows nothing. If I were Mr. Patterson I might be insulted - they almost make him sound stupid. Geesh.

How do you miss that much racket?

MK states he asked Mr. Gimlin about this latest theory in person. He said Mr. Gimlin dropped his head and stared at the floor, and said nothing.

Hey - MK, Mr. Gimlin was probably in shock, because once again, someone he trusted was accusing him of something so incredible, he just couldn't think. He most likely felt betrayed and insulted. It wouldn't shock me if he was thinking "OMG what are they going to do to me now??"

Are you as shocked as I am yet? Wait, it gets even better.

Now, remember this was before the filming of "Patty". Mr. Patterson is blissfully unaware of the events that have transpired (according to MK or Johnsen, they won't clarify who is the owner of this theory). Mr. Patterson and Mr. Gimlin ride off, and within days or hours to Bob Gimlin's horror, they come across a Bigfoot that survived this "Massacre", namely "Patty". Oh the shock that must have been sent through the body of Mr. Gimlin as the wounded "Patty" stood before them.

Now, this is where it gets really silly.

You know the alleged hernia on Patty's thigh? Well, MK and Johnsen (not sure which one owns this theory they won't admit to this either) said it's a gun shot wound. In fact they state by looking at the frames owned by MK you can see that Patty has a thigh wound and a head wound.

Are either of these guys hunters? Apparently neither of them know the kind of damage a 30.06 can (and will) do. They state it's not a hernia we see, but a flap of skin. Flap of skin? Well, most bullet wounds create a divot on the entry - and a big hole coming out on the exit (if it exits).

Now, what proof of this do they have you ask? That's is a very good question.

Apparently - NONE. Other than a few frames from a 40 year old film and MK's word as a researcher who has been at this for 11 years. Yet they (Johnsen and MK Davis) went on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory and MK dished this info at the Ohio Conference, but remember, this is all "speculation".

Let's discuss the difference between "fact" and "speculation".

Facts are already proven. There is no debate or discussion on this issue.

Speculation is discussion which you hope in the end brings out information that can lead to facts. Brainstorming if you will.

When MK Davis and John Johnsen appeared on Coast to Coast AM and discussed this "speculation", they took it out of the realm of "speculation" and opened it up to the consumption of the general public. Now ladies and gentlemen, all the general public needs to hear from us (or someone in this community) is something new.
They don't care if it's true or not, they will RUN with it.

But in this case, how do you "speculate" and try to come up with facts, when you're using a 40 year old film to "speculate" on events that may have happened days or hours prior to the film being shot? That seems to be a question both men (MK and Johnsen) are unprepared to answer. In fact, they flat out refuse.

Yet, they have no problem talking to George Noory.

I have asked both MK Davis and John Johnsen numerous times over the last 24 hours to provide some sort of evidence to back up this "speculation" which is actually being received by a national audience. They have declined.

Instead, they have gone on the attack.

I can understand why, since I was informed by Mr. Johnsen he has sold 120 of his DVD's entitled "Keeping the Watch", since all this broke. His words, not mine. Now, you should know none of this information about the "Bigfoot Massacre" is on this DVD. So you wont be happy if you buy it for that reason.

Does this all matter in some way?

You bet it does. Researchers are always complaining about these things. Yet they never seem to want to attack the problem head on. Case in point: When I began to question MK and Johnsen routinely (because they were refusing to answer questions) I was told I was "mean" by the MK & Johnsen supporters. When they should have been saying, "Hey, MK, why are you not showing these people the photos you showed in Ohio and answering some simple questions?" But nope. They seem to think this is a personal attack, by me and others who are asking questions, when the questions are about the "speculation" they are putting forth, not about them personally.

If you want to hug and kiss every person who is involved in this, and not do some work to find out what their motivation is, do not come crying to me when it all blows up in your face and you're looking like a fool for supporting someone who is out for personal gain. At this point, that seems to be the motivation in this. Which makes sense. As Mr. Johnsen told me a long time ago sales of his DVD "Keeping the Watch" were less than stellar (and he tried to blame me). LMAO. Apparently that has changed. I hope he thanked Mr. Noory and Loren Coleman.

Do you want the work you do in this to be taken seriously? Or, do you enjoy the snickers when you tell people how you spend your free time? I actually had one person say to me "we should not worry about it".

Tell that to Bob Gimlin.

Who will now have to fend off this latest whirlwind of "speculation" provided by MK Davis and John Johnsen. They just couldn't keep this to themselves until they had actual proof. People never worry about it until it's their name being thrown about.

I have never heard such nonsense in my entire life. I thought I had just about heard it all when MK came out with his "Patty is Human" theory, but this just takes the cake.

I have the feeling this is not over.


  • At 8:14 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I can't believe Bob Gimlin didn't break MK's jaw.

  • At 9:11 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    And this is why Bigfoot Research will never be taken seriously.

    The other night, on _Bigfoot Quest_ I think, the guest made a great comment. He likened the Bigfoot world to medieval Germany; so many squabbling princedoms. Will the Sasquatch world ever have it's Bismarck, it's Iron Researcher, to unify the field?

    Probably not.

  • At 11:28 AM, Blogger Melissa Hovey said…

    " said...
    And this is why Bigfoot Research will never be taken seriously.

    The other night, on _Bigfoot Quest_ I think, the guest made a great comment. He likened the Bigfoot world to medieval Germany; so many squabbling princedoms. Will the Sasquatch world ever have it's Bismarck, it's Iron Researcher, to unify the field?

    Probably not."

    Could you please explain this comment? Im not sure exactly what your getting at.


    KEVIN M..

    I probably would have too. LMAO

  • At 2:00 PM, Blogger Melissa Hovey said…

    This was sent to my email and I was asked to post per the request of a reader.

    Hi Melissa,

    I agree with your comments re: the MK Davis theory, it really is too silly for words. I heard MK on (name of show removed) and was amazed to the extent a man can talk for over an hour and give away precisely nothing in terms of supporting evidence. I also though it shameful the hosts gave him such an easy ride when it would have been so easy just to shoot down his whole argument in about 10 seconds.

    Bigfoot research will get nowhere If nobody is prepared to put in any form of critical evaluation. Thank God someone, namely you, is prepared to take up that mantle. All the best and keep up the good work.


  • At 8:30 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I'll get back to you with a full reply. I admit my comment may not have been germane to the post. I want to find the quote I mentioned so I may reference it properly.

  • At 6:29 AM, Blogger Cullan Hudson said…

    I have to admit, "flap of skin" is funny but I know what they refer to. That "anomaly" (be it hernia or whatever) on Patty's leg is one of two clues in that film that keep me from being a total believer in the P/G film. I don't see a "flap of skin" but I might just see a flap of material, as in a section of costume not well joined. I'm not saying that is what it is. I am only saying that to my eyes, it is possible. The film is a 40 year old, grainy mess and ultimately serves as a rorshach test in cryptozoology. I don't think we can really ever learn anything conclusive from it. Let's move on.

    BTW, the other thing that bugs me about Patty is that her buttocks don't seem to flex as she walks. It seems like this large, immobile mass that just "floats" over her legs. It seems disconnected. Like I said, if it weren't for those two pieces, I'd buy the P/G film lock, stock, and barrel. Speaking of guns....

    Davis is a nut. And for anyone who cares about the search for bigfoot and cryptozoology, we should silence the voice. Give him no press, do not talk about him, etc... He's in it for the 15 minutes, so the best thing to do is to just tune him out and give him not platform whatsoever.

  • At 6:57 PM, Blogger Unknown said…

    I agree that this whole "Patty was shot" idea should have been laughed out of existence about 10 minutes after it was first uttered.

    Unfortunately, it wasn't. I'm flabbergasted at the gullibility of some people who are still supporting this as plausible.

    For some to claim the "freedom of speech" clause is even more laughable.

    Even going back to the ideas of being able to see braided hair, pony tail, hair wrapped on top of the head, bangs, wind swept hair and the carrying of a stick that was dropped - I didn't believe these claims either but kept quiet about them as they are relatively harmless.

    Yet, the supporting evidence for them should have been submitted to real photography analysts before the claims of "Patty is a human with white/yellowish skin and is from the digger indian tribe" were made.

    At this point in all of this, for all of those who still want to support MK and his claims, I have some ocean beach property I know that you will be interested in purchasing that is located in South Dakota.

  • At 10:06 AM, Blogger Melissa Hovey said…

    Cullen, Interesting comments. I do hope you read this as I have one question for you.

    If that "hernia" is a "flap" from bad costume making - then why would anyone (professional or amatur)have joined the material in this location? Can you even do that? This is not at the top of the thigh by the joint, but a lower on the thigh itself.

    Are you saying the legs of the "costume" may have been pieced together?

    You should listen to the interview I did with Bill Munns on The Sasquatch Experience (blogtalk), he discusses this very issue (not the flap theory but the hernia).

    I would be curious to hear your opinion.

    Thanks for reading!!!!
    Melissa :)

  • At 10:07 AM, Blogger Melissa Hovey said…

    OOps, my bad - Cullan :) Sorry.

  • At 4:32 AM, Blogger Cullan Hudson said…

    Sorry, Melissa. Took me forever to find and respond to this. My point is, the image quality is simply too poor to know. And if it is a costume, who are we to speculate on how it would have been pieced together. At the end of the day, we simply don't have enough data to come to any real conclusions. We need to be okay with that and move on to something more substantive. In digital imagine, when you manipulate the data to try and draw out more information, you can end up distorting the original and finding yourself with artifacts. The same can be said for any type of analysis. If there isn't enough information, but you keep analyzing anyway, then you end up with things like hernias and braided ponytails. In other words, artifacts.


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